20" with a 3-4 week ship time.

Eat your heart out RC.

Mid-November? That's a disgrace. Apple can't hope to keep a happy user base on the vapors and waiting lists its been providing. Then again, its worked for Ferrari, so I don't see why not.

Tell me, what is a 3d graphics card good for other than gaming? If nothing else, why not put in a good one when it is NOT upgradable. Just wondering....

eh who knows. i would have liked a better card too. not that i'm going to buy one anyways. my ibook is plenty awesome.

Apple has nothing to sell and their revenues will reflect this. They are between the proverbial rock and a hard place. By the time there are significant shipments of the new iMac it will be almost six months old and ready for a new update cycle (which, of course, will not happen, putting things farther behind).

I think the long ship times are based on expectations for very high order levels - just like the iPod. I ordered this morning at 6:30 and have a 3-4 week estimated delivery - which Apple might beat.

The key is IF you are going to get one you have to order very fast today as first orders get first shipments. Wait until 3 months of production are sold and you're going to have to wait.

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I think the long ship times are based on expectations for very high order levels - just like the iPod. I ordered this morning at 6:30 and have a 3-4 week estimated delivery - which Apple might beat.

The key is IF you are going to get one you have to order very fast today as first orders get first shipments. Wait until 3 months of production are sold and you're going to have to wait.

What does this have to do with Ferrari? Everything. Ferrari's wait lists are routinely up to two years. And noone's abandoning their product!

Buying an iMac is like a Ferrari,

you'll be waiting so long, you be damn sorry,

Ya order a brand new iMac G5,

When you get it you may not be alive

You won't be alive long WHEN you get one of these so delaying delivery could be said to be a human kindness perhaps.

It would be really nice if Apple had ample supply of a newly announced product.

Based on the what Apple did the last two times, one day before your ship date Apple will send you an email saying demand for the new iMacs has been "incredible" and then give you a new ship date weeks later.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but your 20" iMac comes with non-upgradable cheesy video card, and you just know the heat from the G5 will toast your 20" LCD. Like the always say early adopters get burned.

purposefully limits their annual production to about 4000 cars per year to ensure exclusivity.

Apple is not in the same situation.

just because you placed an order and received a ship date of 3-4 weeks means absolutely nothing

apple can delay your shipment for as long as need be

i ordered a 20" imac last october and it had a ship date of 3-4 weeks, didn't get until january

I have the same graphics card the new iMac has, only in a dual 1.8GHz PowerMac, and it plays Unreal Tournament 2004 *quite* nicely, even at high resolutions with all the goodies turned up.

What good is a 3D card for *except* gaming? Well, *everything* in a system that uses it, like OS X does! Your GPU is doing all the work for all of your on-screen windows! It's also great for any 3D maps or other science or design-related OpenGL some program you're using might throw your way. Want a 3D, rotating map? You want a good GPU. And this is one. Not cutting-edge, but hey, it's a consumer machine, and this graphics card is *plenty* powerful.

So I don't want to hear any griping about the GPU. It's just fine. If you want a pro machine with upgradable GPU options, buy a PowerMac. They're really nice

Games are probably enough reason for the home user with a wide variety of interests.

However, Apple is increasingly offloading 2d graphics and video to the graphics card. This started with Quartz extreme, and is being stepped up significantly with Motion, and 10.4's introduction of CoreVideo and CoreImage, both of which use the GPU on the video card to accelerate graphics, and allow real-time video and graphic effects. The Demo Apple showed at WWDC was producing high-quality photoshop filter effects in real time without destroying the original image data, by using the Graphics card.

Of course, that's future tech until Tiger ships, so I have no idea just how hard programs using those features will tax the graphics card in the new iMac G5.

This is why APPLE will always be stuck at the <5% marketshare-rolling products out like Perrier or Ferraris -which is why you can go to you average college and find few or no Macs, and nearly none in the business world.
I dont like being so exclusive that I cant find few or no people who know about these lovely computers.
It is likely Gates who is saying "Nice, Steve, but eat YOUR heart out!"

Apple used to have a 20% Marketshare, and even if Steve professes he is content-you KNOW he wants to be bigger....not likely with this 'snob appeal' nonsense.

Its shipping now.