Another giant I told you so. Remember when I said that early adopters of the Mac mini were sure to get burned by declining Apple quality. I've been proven right again. Check the facts from MacFixit:

http://www.macfixit.com/

"MANY users have reported [hard] drive failures"

What poetic justice. Mac bots harangued their PC friends to buy a Mac mini to enjoy the superior Apple quality. Little did they know that the Mac mini has a shoddy Mickey Mouse hard drive that breaks in a few weeks with a complete loss of data. What's sweet is that these Mac pushers will be forever cursed by their former friends.

Ohhh, "many." Sounds really bad. That's a failure rate of...hmmm....I think it works out to many% I guess.

Tell us RC, how many is "many", especially compared to the total number of Mac Minis in use? This hardly proves you right about anything. What it does prove is that you are so obsessed with finding anything wrong with a Mac or its software that you will latch on to anything and call it justification for your existence. You could use your time more wisely by disinfecting your PC, for the 50th time.

Well if you constantly claim that at some point in the future some part of an Apple product will fail, then you certainly "told us so."

However, some of your other statements need some qualification. What proof do you have that Apple's quality is, in fact, declining? Sorry, warranty dollars don't count, you need to produce a figure measured in number of defects versus total population.

And please be more specific about exactly how MANY hard drives have failed. 1? 10? 100? A percentage of the total number of Mac Minis shipped would be a good start.

I think it's quite heartening to see the mainstream press getting all gooey over the new Apple hardware, but I feel like I've see it a number of times before. It has a lot to do with Apple's new models being actually worth the time to look at since they aren't just photocopied versions of what was made the year before.

The Mac Mini has fascinating design and feature elements, but so did the G5 iMac - so did the G4 iMac - so did the eMac - so did the Cube - etc ...

Each time Apple has given birth to a new design of hardware, the press lavishes it with attention, and I can't help thinking that the attention the Mini is getting is being pushed and extended by Apple's success in the mainstream with the iPod.

I find it quite interesting to read these articles, but what I really want to hear is that Apple is selling the tiny boxes as fast as the iPod Mini. The media will always cover the latest Apple gear because of the eye-candy element, but the public doesn't always whip out the wallet to pay for it.

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The media will always cover the latest Apple gear because of the eye-candy element, but the public doesn't always whip out the wallet to pay for it.

I think that the biggest difference with the mini is taht, for the first time, it's a Mac that someone might consider ADDING to the PC in their house instead of just replacing.

I'm not just talking about the price, but the fact that the number of computers per household seems to be growing. When you add all of that together you open up a lot of opportunities. I'm willing to bet the majority of Mac Mini sales are going to people who aren't getting rid of their old computer (whether Mac or PC) which means they're not "switchers" so much as "adders."

That's a much easier sale to make.

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The media will always cover the latest Apple gear because of the eye-candy element, but the public doesn't always whip out the wallet to pay for it.

I think that the biggest difference with the mini is taht, for the first time, it's a Mac that someone might consider ADDING to the PC in their house instead of just replacing.

I'm not just talking about the price, but the fact that the number of computers per household seems to be growing. When you add all of that together you open up a lot of opportunities. I'm willing to bet the majority of Mac Mini sales are going to people who aren't getting rid of their old computer (whether Mac or PC) which means they're not "switchers" so much as "adders."

That's a much easier sale to make.

Exactly. And those who do add a Mac, and witness first hand their PC's devolving into a puddle of molasses, while their Mac just keeps on working, will finally begin to see the light. The tide will slowly begin to turn, and poor old RC will be swept away with it.

<qualification> I would not normally respond, but he is simply immoral. This is not feeding the troll, rather pulverizing the decrepit bridge under which he lives. </qualification>

RealityChick, you need to put on your glasses. Or find a worn-out conscience. And for everyone else who didn't bother to click on the link that RetardedChump gave you, here's the direct quote, this time in context:

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"Many users have reported eventual drive failure beginning with such noises, which are generally astonishingly loud."

In other words, of those people whose hard drive has failed, many of them said it was loud. In the entire article, there is not one mention of any actual number of failures.

For those of you who railed against the troll using his own argument, even if you're right--which you are--fight fire with fire. Call him on the carpet every single time he yanks a so-called quote out of context. He twisted and mangled this one into a blatant, bald-faced lie. He's not stupid, or insane, or even a zealously biased freak. (Well, maybe that last one.) He delights in purposefully distorting truth.

RabidChunderhead, you are incorrigibly devoid of any ethical standard regarding a polite conversation, the publication of basic information, or even a heated debate. You are intentionally dishonest and unabashedly misleading, and I dare say, you are flirting with pure evil. You are a disgustingly blatant liar of the worst kind: you're way too easy to catch.

Jon

The Mac Mini's hard drive will give out too soon. I feel sorry for the Mac users that want to use this toy to tape Battlestar Galactica only to find out that their hard drive crashed before it was done. Then they will have to go over their friends' houses who recorded it on a much more reliable device - the VCR.

[quote="Guest"]Well if you constantly claim that at some point in the future some part of an Apple product will fail, then you certainly "told us so."

As in that old Reagan line: you'd go broke taking advise from a broker who predicted 23 of the last 2 recessions.

"Another giant I told you so. Remember when I said that early adopters of the Mac mini were sure to get burned by declining Apple quality."

Yeah, I remember that. It was when you said a rise in Apple's warrenty costs meant they their quality was declining. Then you got debunked when somebody pointed out the fact that their warrenty costs rose because they saw an incredible boom in Mac sales.

Or was it the time you accused the Chinese of being unable to make anything of quality? I forget.

""MANY users have reported [hard] drive failures""

Why don't you quote the article without twisting it into a lie to support your delusional crusade against Apple? It never said that many Mac Mini users reported harddrive failures. Not anywhere. I guess you weren't expecting anybody to call your bluff and go to macfixit.com, huh?

http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=2005032407015733&query=mac+mini

The article actually says that there are two reported issues with some Mac Mini harddrives. First, is a noise which turns out to be the sound of normal harddrive access. Second, is is a very loud noise that may be caused by a mechincal defect in the drive's arm. Many people who experience the second issue report that it leads to eventual harddrive failure.

So, do many users report harddrive failure in their Mac Minis? No. You are a liar.

Out of the users who experience a specific symptom in their Mac Mini harddrive, do many of them report that it leads to eventual failure? Yes. That's a very different thing than what you used the article to claim.

Now, as far as this being Apple's fault, you lose again. The company responsible for any harddrive defects is the company that manufactured the harddrives. That'd be Seagate, not Apple.

"What poetic justice."

No, it's not poetic justice that you tell lies. It however poetic irony that you call Apple products defective while championing Microsoft, a company that makes an operating system that couldn't function on the world's highest quality hardware without having system crashes.

"I feel sorry for the Mac users that want to use this toy to tape Battlestar Galactica only to find out that their hard drive crashed before it was done."

It must be Backwards Day where you are, because here in reality, having more software intended for doing serious things over games, and Unix as the underlying system, means that OS X is a whole lot less "toyish" than Windows. Infact, OS X is so serious that it has 0 viruses. Try saying saying that about Windows.

I do feel sorry for anybody that'd want to tape Battlestar Galactica, though.

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Now, as far as this being Apple's fault, you lose again. The company responsible for any harddrive defects is the company that manufactured the harddrives. That'd be Seagate, not Apple.

Oh, and I suppose Apple instead of Seagate gets all of the praise when the hard drives do work, you blind Mac fan.

"Oh, and I suppose Apple instead of Seagate gets all of the praise when the hard drives do work, you blind Mac fan."

Apple should get praised for designing a computer as small as a Mini that can house a G5 without catching on fire. Working Seagate harddrives, however, are to Seagate's credit. I'm very sorry that your fantasy of Mac users being blind fanatics doesn't hold up to reality, but try not to stuff words in my mouth, next time. That might help you avoid looking so clueless.

… that RC's Mom just joined our little club and started supporting her baby. At least he now has some help on the forum. Good for you, RC. Keep on trolling ! It's always fun to read you, thanks for the laughs in an otherwise very drab world …
So far I've sold 3 of my friends on the Mac mini, and they're all very grateful. I thought you'd like to know …
No grinding noise, no HD failure … I'm virtually knocking on your head for good luck …

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Apple should get praised for designing a computer as small as a Mini that can house a G5 without catching on fire

Now, let us not get carried away here, they have yet to accomplish that.

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Apple should get praised for designing a computer as small as a Mini that can house a G5 without catching on fire. Working Seagate harddrives, however, are to Seagate's credit. I'm very sorry that your fantasy of Mac users being blind fanatics doesn't hold up to reality, but try not to stuff words in my mouth, next time. That might help you avoid looking so clueless.

Oh, I see!
Apple: "Hey Seagate, stick this drive in our computer!"
Seagate: "OK!"
Apple: "Thanks! That's another designer award for us!"

That's nice, but it doesn't explain how Apple has anything to do with the quality of Seagate harddrives.

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That's nice, but it doesn't explain how Apple has anything to do with the quality of Seagate harddrives.

Exactly! Seagate gets the credit!

I had my mac mini less than two months, and it just DIED. I live Apple and everything about the company, but my reality with the mini has been terrible. So now I have to wait for "service" to fix etc.. wasting my time, I could be spending elsewhere.

Well, considering that you are in warranty, chances are good you'll be getting a new mini. Be patient and understand thaat ALL companies occasionally get a bad unit. As long as Apple makes you whole, you should be okay. Good luck.