$649 for Photoshop CS3???? No upgrade pricing? WTF?????

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Dreadnought wrote:
$649 for Photoshop CS3???? No upgrade pricing? WTF?????

Check Adobe's web site. Upgrades for Photoshop start at $199.

CS3 Web Standard at $1k, Dreamweaver alone is $399 and isn't that amazing GoLive is also $399. Will you look at that; both are owned by Adobe. This is what you get when you don't have competition. Big corporate web developing departments may be happy, but I guess those of us working with smaller companies or doing freelance and casual work are SOL.

Hey developers; There is a market for an inexpensive web editing tool that will manage sites (HTML, templates, links and some CSS) and not a lot else FOR A REASONABLE PRICE. . A lot of us don't need or want or can pay for all the fancy tools.

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geoduck wrote:
CS3 Web Standard at $1k, Dreamweaver alone is $399 and isn't that amazing GoLive is also $399. Will you look at that; both are owned by Adobe. This is what you get when you don't have competition. Big corporate web developing departments may be happy, but I guess those of us working with smaller companies or doing freelance and casual work are SOL.

Hey developers; There is a market for an inexpensive web editing tool that will manage sites (HTML, templates, links and some CSS) and not a lot else FOR A REASONABLE PRICE. . A lot of us don't need or want or can pay for all the fancy tools.

I guess you can still buy it standalone, but I don't see GoLive in any of the CS3 suites. I will have to see if they revised DreamWeaver enough to entice me away from GoLive.

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Sir Harry Flashman wrote:
I don't see GoLive in any of the CS3 suites.

I went out to the Adobe online store to get the stand alone pricing for GoLive and Dreamweaver. Only Dreamweaver has been included in CS3. There has been a lot of speculation that Adobe was going to drop GoLive completely. I have been hoping that they would take a 2 tier strategy with Dreamweaver being the professional tool and GoLive the personal one. I'm now starting to suspect that GoLive is not long for this world. <sigh> I guess I'll be sticking with GoLive 6.0 for a while.

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geoduck wrote:

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Sir Harry Flashman wrote:
I don't see GoLive in any of the CS3 suites.

I went out to the Adobe online store to get the stand alone pricing for GoLive and Dreamweaver. Only Dreamweaver has been included in CS3. There has been a lot of speculation that Adobe was going to drop GoLive completely. I have been hoping that they would take a 2 tier strategy with Dreamweaver being the professional tool and GoLive the personal one. I'm now starting to suspect that GoLive is not long for this world. <sigh> I guess I'll be sticking with GoLive 6.0 for a while.

I would prefer that they let DreamWeaver wither and improve GoLive. To be sure I am speaking a prematurely, or immaturely as the case may be, and have not yet looked at the new DreamWeaver. I really need to see if they fixed up it or if they did little more than put lipstick on it.

I have grown to appreciate things like Smart Objects and InDesign's "package for GoLive."

Hell, they should just put the DreamWeaver splash screen onto GoLive and it would be a win-win situation. We would get to keep GoLive and the other camp would think that they have an improved DreamWeaver,

Having used both I prefer GoLive as well. I just find it easier to use.

Flash CS3? Universal Binary? Hello?!?!
More info please!

Just the info and video, no hands on, but it looks like they incorporated some of stuff I liked about GoLive as well as some new stuff. In fact it looks quite "spry" and I will be giving it a try when I upgrade sometime later this spring.

I will probably opt for the Design Premium suite as it includes InDesign, Illustrator, Acrobat, and Bridge, as well as PhotoShop and DreamWeaver.

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Sir Harry Flashman wrote:
I guess you can still buy it standalone, but I don't see GoLive in any of the CS3 suites.

Last night I found on the GoLive page that Adobe SAYS they'll be continuing GoLive as a standalone product, not part of the Creative Suite, and that GoLive 9 will be available in late Spring 2007: http://www.adobe.com/products/golive/

Personally I like GoLive because of its "SmartObject" integration with Photoshop and Illustrator; no word yet on if they've implemented that in DreamWeaver. I saw a 'feature' where you can 'copy' an area in Photoshop across multiple layers and effects and 'paste' the composite into DreamWeaver, but it looks like it just drops a JPG/GIF, I don't know if it updates when the source file updates like a SmartObject would ...

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geoduck wrote:
Hey developers; There is a market for an inexpensive web editing tool that will manage sites (HTML, templates, links and some CSS) and not a lot else FOR A REASONABLE PRICE. A lot of us don't need or want or can pay for all the fancy tools.

Hear, hear. The main reason I use GoLive is ... well, first, because I had an ancient copy of PageMill I used to upgrade to it; but also because of the SmartObjects. Beyond that, I don't really do anything fancy with my websites beyond basic HTML and a few JavaScripts here and there. I'm not sure I want to go thru transitioning to DreamWeaver just for that.

... that was me. Grrr. Fugged up on the login process.

Ugh. I couldn't stand GoLive (in the CS2 Professional Suite). I went back to Dreamweaver MX (not MX 2004 - I love these naming schemes) after a couple weeks of trying to get used to GoLive. I suspect the new versions will integrate with Dreamweaver the way you like the integration with GoLive.

That said, many more serious web developers I know hate Dreamweaver. I guess it's like Illustrator/Freehand/CorelDraw: Difference of preferences.


- Jon