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Living Without Safari Week 4: Camino

by , 8:00 AM EDT, March 29th, 2007

Spending a month forsaking Safari for other Web browsers has been an interesting experience. I started with Firefox, moved on to OmniWeb, and then transitioned into Opera. This week I lived in Camino. Despite its similarities to Firefox, it has a personality all its own.

After spending a week with Opera, which was obviously punishment for some horrible transgression I committed in a past life, I was ready to move onto anything. As it turns out, I found Camino to be a capable browser. I didn't really get excited using it, but at least it wasn't Opera.

Week 3: Camino 1.0.4
Camino uses the same Gecko rendering engine as Firefox, and in many ways feels the same. It is Mac only, open source, and like most other browsers, is free.


Camino

Impressions In many ways, when I was using Camino, I felt like I was using Firefox. The application interface worked in a very similar way, browser tabs where pretty much the same, and keyboard shortcuts were the same as well.

In fact, I used Firefox's Command-Option-arrow shortcut a couple of TMO readers clued me in on to move back and forth through tabs in Camino. It worked like a charm, and really helped to make Camino more usable.

Like most other browsers, Camino displays its tabs horizontally across the top of your browser window, which works just fine when you only have a few sites open. As you open more and more, however, the tabs become so small that you can only see the associated favicons.

Pop-up window blocking worked marginally. I know it prevented many pop-ups from executing, but even still, lots of pop-up and pop-under windows opened just as the site coders intended. I have no problem with Web sites using advertising to generate revenue - everyone has to eat. Pop-up and pop-under ads, however, get in my way, impede my productivity, and have never ever contained an ad that I was even remotely interested in.

Web page rendering times seemed much slower than they should have been, and occasionally I thought a page load had stalled only to be surprised when it magically appeared - just as I was getting ready to launch Safari to see if there was a problem with the site. But unlike Opera, I never had to break rule number 3 and launch another browser.

Just like Firefox, some Web pages rendered incorrectly with text, graphics, and buttons overlapping. I kind of figured I would have that problem since Camino and Firefox share the same rendering engine. The same Web page rendered in Camino, however, did have a more Mac-like look than in Firefox.

Overall performance was acceptable with processor usage typically hovering around 10 percent. Occasionally Camino would go to town on my PowerBook's processor, but for most of the week, it played nicely with my other applications.

Camino also suffered from the same redraw issue I experienced in Firefox. Sometimes the window scroll bar wouldn't switch from inactive gray to active blue when I clicked in Camino's window. Since I use that as a visual cue to see which application is active, I found myself clicking on different parts of the Camino application window to make sure it really was active.

From a cosmetic standpoint, that's just an annoyance. But from a productivity standpoint, that wastes my time, and time is money.

One feature that Camino totally shocked me with was its RSS support. In a word, it sucked. Where Safari, Firefox, and OmniWeb all gracefully send RSS to my favorite news reader, NewsMac Pro, Camino simply displays the RSS code in a browser window.

And after that bout of negativity, I really need to share some more of Camino's positive features: First, overall navigation in the browser felt easier and smoother than Firefox. Second, I can tell this is a browser coded for the Mac, not ported from some alternative OS. Finally, it was stable - it didn't crash all week.

The Verdict
My overall impression of Camino was indifferent. It didn't wow me, but it didn't piss me off, either. Camino feels to me like a 1.0 product with lots of potential, and I'm looking forward to seeing how this browser evolves.

Now that I've completed my month-long tour through other browsers, I'm free to use the browser of my choice. Which one, you ask? The answer may surprise you: I'm not going back to my tried-and-true Safari. Instead, I'm moving on to OmniWeb.

OmniWeb offers a feature set that goes beyond what I expect from an out-of-the box Web browser, and it fit my work style better than any of the others I tried. Safari will always hold a special place in my heart, and I'll keep it around because it's always a good idea to have more than one browser available for testing and troubleshooting.

Should Apple surprise us with a killer feature set in Safari when Mac OS X 10.5 ships, I'll consider switching back. But those features will have to be killer.

Interested in the other Web browsers in the Living Without Safari series? Here you go:

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Close Name:Sanjay Posts: 29 Joined: 05 Jul 2001
Subject: OmniWeb all the way

Jeff, welcome to the OmniWeb world. I've been using it as my primary browser for years and I don't know how people live without shortcuts, workspaces, per site preferences, vertical tabs and all the other goodness.

Close Name:Jeffala Posts: 8 Joined: 13 Oct 2006
Subject:

I'm surprised that you experienced page load difficulties. I've always found Camino to be exceedingly fast in it's page rendering times.

Close Name:gopher Posts: 291 Joined: 28 Mar 2002
Subject: There is more than just 3 alternatives

I think your review should consider additional alternatives. http://www.macmaps.com/browser.html

Lists many, and directs you to another site which lists even more.

It would be helpful to have additional reviews out there.

Close Name:JonGl Posts: 113 Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Subject:

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Jeffala wrote:
I'm surprised that you experienced page load difficulties. I've always found Camino to be exceedingly fast in it's page rendering times.


I think all web browsers have pages and times that they just hiccup. Sometimes, it's the html, and others, I suspect, are network problems. But in my experience, what causes one browser to "stick" won't necessarily cause another.

But allow me to be another to welcome you to the world of Omni! I have to use Camino to do Google spreadsheets, but I am never happy when I do, and every time I use anothe browser now, I feel constrained. So, welcome to the club!

-Jon

Close Name:Guest
Subject:

Yeah, the RSS thing is a bummer if you use RSS. I don't, so it doesn't matter to me at all. However, I and many others have found it consistently renders faster than Safari and Firefox. I also don't have nearly as many problems with pop-up windows as you, although I also have CamiTools installed.

When it's working properly, pages rendered in Safari still look a little nicer though.

I'm surprised you didn't mention any problems with Flash or QT, although perhaps your incidents of high CPU usage coincides with pages with a lot Flash.

I wouldn't mind checking out OmniWeb, but I'm not yet at the point where I think any Web browser is worth paying for. Then again, I don't use one professionally.

Close Name:Rainy Day Posts: 607 Joined: 07 Jun 2005
Subject: Dictionary

What annoys me about Camino is its lack of Dictionary support (Command-Control-D). For this and RSS, i find myself preferring Safari.

My second choice browser is iCab, although i do use Camino for special purposes.

Close Name:mshoaf Posts: 112 Joined: 02 Dec 2002
Subject: Safari vs. Camino

I would proably use Safari if it weren't for the goofy way it takes "clicks" from a Wacom tablet. (I use my Wacom tablets so much that I no longer have a mouse connected!) Approx. 1/3 of the times I try to click a link in Safari using my Wacom pen, it takes 3-5 tries before the click "takes". This happens on all 3 of the Macs I use regularly, in all versions of Safari. This doesn't happen in any other browser I've tried.

Camino is perfect for me... I just want a fast, lean browser with tabs... that works with my Wacom tablets.

Close Name:Guest
Subject: Safari's killer feature

(for me)
is AcidSearch. Having the Google search field expanded to pretty well any engine or site I care to add, plus a wide range of options included. I use it all the time.
~Ian O

Close Name:Guest
Subject: flash

camino offers better managment of flash media than safari - big plus. scrolling web pages is also faster.

Close Name:Terrin Posts: 414 Joined: 29 Jan 2006
Subject:

I have used for periods of time all the browsers you reviewed. Camino and Omniweb were my favorite, although I did not hate Opera. I really do not enjoy Firefox. For some reason, however, I always end up back with Safari. Overall it seems to integrate with the Mac OS the best, and has the least performance issues.

Omniweb does have some nice features I like. For instance, the ability to identify your browser as another browser (i.e. Internet Explorer). Also it has real nice control over graphics and animations. I, however, remember having some rendering issues with it, and at times it being slower then Safari. Moreover, Safari seems to support keychains the best.

Something Camino does that I like, is I can open up my entire history in tabs. Safari for some reason does not let me do this.

I also tried iCab for a short while, and although it was quick, it often had terrible formatting issues, especially with a secure site.

Close Name:gslusher Posts: 2088 Joined: 13 Nov 2002
Subject: The right way to test page rendering

You cannot do a legitimate test of a browser's rendering speed by loading a web page from the Internet. That involves all sorts of other issues, including server delays. There are two ways to test it properly, one better than the other. First, clear the cache. Then, load a fairly complex web page. Close that and then load the same page. The images, etc., will be in the cache, so you won't be as affected by Internet delays. A better way, though, is to load a page from your hard drive. If you're going to test browsers, either create a web page for the purpose or download an entire page, with all the subordinate files. (iCab can do that as an archive; Camino should be able to do it using "Save as.")

Close Name:Guest
Subject: Shiira

Shiira is an okay browser, but 2.0 looks to be perhaps as good as OmniWeb, if not more advanced in some ways. It's still in beta, but it will probably become my main browser.

Close Name:Guest
Subject: Sync

Doesn't sync with .mac, can't use it. I have to sync multiple Macs in multiple states. Dot mac keeps me sane.

Close Name:Terrin Posts: 414 Joined: 29 Jan 2006
Subject:

I just downloaded Omniweb to give it another shot. Right off the back, I cannot drag Safari bookmarks to Omniweb. I can do this with both Camino and Opera. I know they can be imported, but I prefer dragging them over.

Close Name:Sanjay Posts: 29 Joined: 05 Jul 2001
Subject:

Woops double post.



Last edited by Sanjay on Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:22 am; edited 1 time in total
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Close Name:Sanjay Posts: 29 Joined: 05 Jul 2001
Subject: Re: Shiira

Quote
Guest wrote:
Shiira is an okay browser, but 2.0 looks to be perhaps as good as OmniWeb, if not more advanced in some ways. It's still in beta, but it will probably become my main browser.


Erm, I've just downloaded 2.0 beta. No Workspaces, No Shortcuts, No per site preferences, no customisable ad blocking. The page preview tabs, pioneered by OW and now copied by all and sundry are horizontal, taking up even more precious vertical screen space, which defeats the whole point of OW's previews. Not trying to flame, but the reason OW is a paid-for browser is that it has some serious pro browsing features which just aren't present in any other browser. Any time they want to charge me an upgrade fee, I'll happily pony up the cash.

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