Good news always needs to have a downside, eh?

Darn it IBM, Apple went with you because it was sick of Motorola! Stop, or you're going to start making them regret it!


-Dan Pourhadi

Face facts, the PowerMac G5 and iMac G5 have been big flops with consumers. Apple's latest RDF is to blame IBM for poor sales. Remember all the MacHeads that said the G5 was going to turn Mac sales around, they haven't. Both G5 models have unit sales way down from last year. Maybe if Steve Jobs had kept his promise of 3GHz by June 2004 things might have been better.

Watch Apple continue to blame IBM for bad sales, then next spring claim that sales have fallen flat because the G5 models are getting long in the tooth. The worse sales get, the more Apple will crank up the RDF.

Apple trounced MS again. *S*

Sometimes what Apple does not tell you is more revealing than what they do tell you.

Apple is not saying how many orders they have for the G5s and iMacs like they did when the G5 first came out. There is not as much demand as Apple would have you to believe.

Now does the Apple that we all know occasionally stretch the truth just a tad?

IBM has got to taking a big loss on 970 developement. Maybe time to bring back the clones..

Apple previously said supply would meet demand around November 15th, I suspect the date will hold up.

Remember too in order for supply to meet demand Apple has to ship into the channel 5 to 6 weeks of inventory. What Apple is saying is the company is filling orders, but until the channel demand is met the company will be air freighting product to the stores and selling just about every iMac the company can make directly to consumers.

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Sometimes what Apple does not tell you is more revealing than what they do tell you.

Apple is not saying how many orders they have for the G5s and iMacs like they did when the G5 first came out. There is not as much demand as Apple would have you to believe.

Now does the Apple that we all know occasionally stretch the truth just a tad?

IBM has got to taking a big loss on 970 developement. Maybe time to bring back the clones..

G5 production problems and even IBM's own well published statements over these many months mean nothing.

Dude! It's not Apple that's reaching it's you.

"All glory and praise to Allah"

Cleric jim

Everyone and their mother has seen countless stories in the press about IBM's production problems. Yes even many a statement from IBM themselves about this very issue. I myself have seen countless stories on this issue..from inumerable sources.

The iMac G5 came out when a month ago or less.... and still you attempt to crown it a failure based on a month or less sales figures and IBM's own admited production problems.

Please give more effort RC. A good adversary improves my skills. Right now it's like shooting a big fat fish in a tiny barrel. I'm not proud of this obvious victory. Yes you can beat a dead horse..but there is no pride in it. It's the live ones that are tricky:)

"All glory and praise to Allah"

Cleric jim

Always something, isn't it? I guess it's a good thing at Apple's market share is "so low" because we'd have people banging down our doors to offer us >retail for our used Macs, kind of like Hardly-Ableson a few years ago.

Hey, wait a minute....

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Apple is not saying how many orders they have for the G5s and iMacs like they did when the G5 first came out. There is not as much demand as Apple would have you to believe.

Bad as it is, Motorola was worse. At least IBM is shipping chips. Motorolla kept stringing Apple along with promises and samples but never seemed to come through with faster units in production quantities. At least Apple is able to update hardware now and get some units out the door, even if the sales are backordered for a while. I got my G5 iMac in about 4 weeks.

Yes, at least the chips IBM is shipping are competitive with Intel and AMD'd offerings. Hopefully when supply catches up to demand they will lower the price a tad on the towers, or come out with a cheaper mini tower - $2000 is just too much for an entry level tower (although Apple does turn a big profit on them).

Face facts?

Fact - IBM has acknowledged their problems going to the 90nm chip fab process and this is NOT an excuse by Apple.

Fact - When you add in sales of Apple laptops, sales for Macs are UP.

Fact - Power Mac and iMacs are continually on back order.

Fact - 50% of Mac sales to consumers at Apple's retail stores are to PC owners or first time computer buyers.

Fact - Apple is making gobs of money.

I know two people who went to BUY a G5 PowerMac. But, when they were told that they would have to wait, even for an iMac, they both bought Powerbooks because they were in stock.

Sales of G5 computers would be higher if people could just buy it while they are in the store.

I for one like to try something out before I buy it. And if I walk out of the store without it, I probably won't get it.

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I know two people who went to BUY a G5 PowerMac. But, when they were told that they would have to wait, even for an iMac, they both bought Powerbooks because they were in stock.

Sales of G5 computers would be higher if people could just buy it while they are in the store.

I for one like to try something out before I buy it. And if I walk out of the store without it, I probably won't get it.

I ordered a 20" iMac at 6:30 AM the day they were announced and have had it for a while. I didn't have to think too hard to realize that supply of G5 chips would be a problem, and that demand would be high. The longer you wait to order the longer you wait to receive.

The key to the iMac is that Apple is going to sell every one they make - something a lot of computer companies would kill for - and people who want one for the holidays had better not wait too long.

When the supply problems of the G5 chips are resolved the iMac is going to be a huge seller.